In defense of God’s forgiveness

On the other side of the coin, so-to-speak, is the verses that defend the forgiveness of God and of Jesus:

Isa 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Mat 9:6 the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins

The Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world

This is very confusing. Is one’s sins forgiven and taken away or not? It seems that the bible says both. However, even though God and Jesus forgive sins, the bible shows that one must pay for his own sins.

If there is no demand of punishment for offenses, then how is it that a man must reap what he sows, receive things done in his body whether good or bad, few or many stripes for unfaithfulness whether worthy of punishment or not? These are not just appearent contradictions, but they are obvious contradictions.

I’m not a critic, I am a truth seeker

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a critic, I am a truth seeker. But I do not accept things on blind faith. To trust in something I must have proof that it is true and factual or at least very strong evidence. If I don’t do that then I could be believing in something that is untrue, which is the same as being deceived. Jesus said: “Take heed that ye be not deceived” (Luk 21:8)

Take away as remove, subtract, deduct

So the expression “take away” couldn’t possibly have the meaning of forgiveness. Now the idea of Jesus taking the punishment for the whole world’s sins past, present and future goes completely against the law. Since Jesus was a Jew who strictly kept the law (according to his own words), taking the world’s sins on himself  couldn’t have been a reason that he permitted them to execute him. According to the law, no man could die for the sins of another, only his own sins.

Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

The doctrine that says Jesus bore the iniquity of the whole world on the cross is plainly false. This is obviously has to be a fabrication of Paul perpetuated by the orthodox church which is contradictory to old testament law which Jesus was in compliance to.

So the only meaning “take away” could have is to remove, and not by vicarious atonement.

The way God “takes away the sins of the world”

This has always been a favorite of mine:

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

According to this verse one must confess to be forgiven. It stands to reason then that those who refuse to confess sins are the ones that will have to pay for their own sins.

The rest of the verse says he will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So he forgives AND cleanses. Cleansing sin is the part that is the “taking away” of sin. Now do you think that he takes away sins by just magicaly, poof, and their gone, you’re perfect? No. There is no evidence for this in the bible.

Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

According to the writer of Hebrews we are made righteous through God’s chastisements or punishments — this is one of the ways he cleanses us from unrighteousness and that is for our benefit.

There are actually ONLY 3 ways that God takes away sins and magically disappearing is not one of them. The bitter truth is that getting rid of sin is mainly an effort on our part when we have a desire to get rid of them with the help of the power of God.

The 3 ways God takes away sins:

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

69:3 “For them that persist in evil there is no rest, but they go out and in, and suffer correction for ages, till they are made perfect. But for them that have done good and attained to perfection, there is endless rest and they go into life everlasting. They rest in the eternal.”

Why was Jesus crucified then, if it wasn’t to take away the sins of the world?

Obviously, Jesus was an innocent man executed without just cause. And he permitted them to execute him for a reason, but that reason could not possibly have been to take on himself the sins of the whole world or “take away” the sins of the world, in that sense. But there was a reason that he purposely allowed them to execute him. He obviously did come to give his life, but for what?

Here are the reasons he said he came — which ultimately cost him his life:

1. He came to bring teachings from God, as a light to the world to give life.
2. He came to call sinners to repentance.
3. He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
4. He came to cause the animal sacrifices to cease.

21:8 “I have come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if you don’t cease offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God will not cease from you

38:2 They, whose hands are stained with blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh, or they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wronging one of God’s creatures, cannot be righteous; nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom.”

71:4 And He would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel of blood through the temple, or that any animals should be slain.

Conclusion

69:3 Blessed are the dead who die in me, and are made perfect in my image and likeness, for they rest from their labors and their works do follow them. They have overcome evil, and are made pillars in the temple of my God, and they go out no more, for they rest in the eternal.”

69:4 For them that persist in evil there is no rest, but they go out and in, and suffer correction for ages, till they are made perfect. But for them that have done good and attained to perfection, there is endless rest and they go into life everlasting. They rest in the eternal.”

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.