“If Jesus is Not God, Who is Jesus then?”

The one question here is whether Jesus is God or not. However, all this is really unnecessary. According to christology for Jesus to be God, Jesus’ father has to be the “holy ghost”. If the “holy ghost” was his father then he wasn’t the Messiah. The fact is: either Joseph was Jesus’ biological father or he wasn’t the Messiah, plain and simple. It can’t be both.

The real reason they have to go into using verses incorrectly is because the most obvious proof that it is impossible for Jesus to be God is the bible itself and Jewish customs. Before Jesus there was no Christianity, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus, his relatives, and his disciples all followed the Jewish customs in respect to Jesus being the Messiah. And the only way that Jesus could be the Messiah was if Joseph were his biological father. There is no other way. Just ask any Jew.

Here is Jesus’s royal lineage according to his relatives:

“Matthan, who was descended from Solomon, begat Jacob. And when Matthan was dead, Melchi, who was descended from Nathan begat Eli by the same woman. Eli and Jacob were thus uterine brothers. Eli having died childless, Jacob raised up seed to him, begetting Joseph, his own son by nature, but by law the son of Eli. Thus Joseph was the son of both.” (Eusebius of Caesarea, Historia Ecclesiae, 1:7:11, 1:7:13-14)

Solomon, David's son of Joseph's lineage

Nevertheless, let us finish debunking the false Christian ideology in which they twist the scriptures in an attempt to make Jesus into a god-man.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

Here is the same thing as above. Redeemer and savior amounts to about the same thing. For one, Paul’s writings are not reliable as he is contradicts many of the things Jesus taught. Another thing, there is no way to know for sure these are the original words that he wrote, since the church fathers added things to his writings.

However, assuming these were the orginal writings without any manipulation in the text, these are obviously a metaphorical idea which is extremely common in the bible. What literally redeems us is the words that God sent through Jesus and when those words are followed and obeyed we become redeemed to God. This theme is constantly repeated throughout the old testament. It took giving Jesus’ life to bring these redeeming words from God to us. In a metaphoric sense he could be known as the redeemer.

Jesus redeemed us to God, not to himself. If Jesus were God he would redeem us to himself not God.

Moreover it says, “the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ…” there appears 2 persons in this phrase, and not the same person.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

“I and my Father are one” in unity and purpose. This is not saying “one in the same person” as is implied here. If this were true then we would all be “Gods” since Jesus said,

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

As they frequently do, they have taken Joh 10:30 out of context. If you read on down to verse 38 it says:

Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is IN me, and I in him.

Jesus was not the Father. The Father was IN Jesus, speaking through Jesus. Jesus spoke none of his own words, but only the words that the Father taught him to say:

Joh 8:28 …I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

As said before, much in the first chapter of John is extremely likely to have been added in at a later date and was not part of the original. Also the “logos” (translated as the Word) was adapted from the greek pagan belief which had no foundation in original Jewish Christian writings and beliefs.

However, the quote “The LORD our God is one LORD” completely rules out any idea of God being a triune god or a trinity, he is one LORD — not a triune god.

Jesus
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

God
Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Psa 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

It is true that Jesus was called the “holy one”. However, this does not prove that Jesus was God. Jesus was chosen because he reached a state of “holiness”. God never had to do any effort to become holy, but Jesus did. It is for this he became the first begotten son of God as it says in the Gospels of the Hebrews:

You are My first begotten Son that prevails forever

…At his baptism (at 30 years of age!), and not at his birth. This begatting that God is talking about here is obviously metaphorical, not literal.

Also at the conception of Jesus when Joseph went into Mary to put his seed into her. It refers to Jesus as the Holy One. But seeing that Mary could not have been a virgin at the conception of Jesus, he could not have been a god-man. What’s more is if he were the first son, then it follows that there was a second, a third… etc.

2:12 Joseph, now awake, did as the angel directed him, and went in to Mary his espoused bride. In her womb she conceived the Holy One

Here he is called the holy one. But this in no way signifies that Jesus was God, even though he was called the holy one. In fact, Jesus became indignant when he was called “good master”

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

Jesus himself did not consider himself good. He considered only God to be good. If he were God, he would not have become indignant. He ever considered God to be greater than him:

Joh 14:28 …my Father is greater than I.

If he were actually God he would make himself equal to God, which he was accused of, but he never really did do. First, because it was not true and second because it would be blasphemy. But to the contrary, Jesus declared that our Father was greater than him — not his equal.

one interesting verse in phillipians 2:6 says,

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

This is one of the many verses where Paul contradicts things that Jesus taught — that is if Paul actually did say this and is not another forgery by the church fathers. One of the main points that Jesus’ disciples disagreed vehemently with Paul on was his teaching that Jesus was equal with God. For the Jews and Jewish Christians alike, this is blasphemy and one of the principle reasons they rejected Paul.

That’s right only God is to be worshiped:

Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

This is the reason he should be worshiped? Because one man worshiped him?

Mat 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him

The following verse is not found in the KJV Old Testament. This is very likely a forgery that was added in after the epistle of Hebrews was written or it was the writer of the epistle of Hebrews (who is unknown) that invented the verse to give more credence to the idea of the trinity.

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

These are actually the only 3 verses in the whole new testament that have anything to do with worshipping Jesus. One was the Devil, one was a “certain ruler”, and the last was evidently a forgery. This certainly isn’t the basis for a doctrine to worship Jesus, much less to prove that Jesus is God. If fact, when John worshiped the angel he told John to worship God.

By the way, if anyone can find the (supposed) verse in the KJV Old Testament quoted in Heb 1:6, please let me know. I searched it all kinds of ways from beginning to end — it just doesn’t seem to be there. Plus I was not able to find anywhere else in the New Testament (outside of these 3 verses) where Jesus was worshiped or even commanded to be worshiped, nor did Jesus even encourage this.

(to be continued — stay tuned!)